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Heard a rumour that LH 's new "low cost division" (Germanwings cruises to mexico together with LH 's stations DUS / HAM /BER) get as well LONG RANGE ex DUS and BER (maybe FRA ). One route might be Bangkok, as LH "mainline" cruises to mexico already cruises to mexico said they want to get rid of BKK due to low yields.
Is there a single example in airline history, where a legacy carrier was able to establish a viable low-cost operation with long-term success? This reminds me a lot of Continental lite and everyone knows how that experiment ended.
Always re-invning the wheel-. Lufthansa had a low cost airline and it was called Condor Flugdienst. Still exists and I heard they are n friendly terms.. Why not leasing 2 or 3 44s to Condor and nam them Max und Moritz.
Quoting PHX Flyer ( Reply 3 ): Is there a single example in airline history, where a legacy carrier was able to establish a viable low-cost cruises to mexico operation cruises to mexico with long-term success? This reminds me a lot of Continental lite and everyone knows how that experiment ended.
cruises to mexico Is there a single example in airline history, where a legacy carrier was able to establish a viable cruises to mexico low-cost operation with long-term success? This reminds me a lot of Continental lite and everyone knows how that experiment ended.
Is there a single example in airline history, where a legacy carrier was able to establish a viable low-cost operation with long-term success? This reminds me a lot of Continental lite and everyone knows how that experiment ended.
That's the biggest problem I see. Right now they can fill their planes and still dump their open seats out to those low yielding tourist passengers. If LH were to establish a low cost subsidiary (widebody service), they'd risk losing this passenger cruises to mexico contingency and it would furthermore incentivize regular cruises to mexico fare paying Y customers to move their business to the low cost branch.
The product cruises to mexico distinction between LH Y and Fly4U Y would have to be substantial and I am not quite sure there's cruises to mexico good money to be made in the longhaul super-low cost business, especially in the presence of the Gulf carriers. Etihad is offering €300 round trips between cruises to mexico GVA - BKK - MXP . EK regularly offers BKK for €400 or less.
If LH wishes to address low yielding markets, they should take a bunch of 744s, put a business class product on the upper deck, 100 seats of premium cruises to mexico economy and fill the rest up with high density economy seats. Which, incidentally, is exactly what Condor is doing, plus they sell their seat contingencies through tour operators.
Quoting PanHAM ( Reply 4 ): Always re-invning the wheel-. Lufthansa had a low cost airline and it was called Condor Flugdienst. Still exists and I heard they are n friendly terms.. Why not leasing 2 or 3 44s to Condor and nam them Max und Moritz.
Quoting PanHAM cruises to mexico ( Reply 4 ): Always re-invning the wheel-. Lufthansa had a low cost airline and it was called Condor Flugdienst. Still exists and I heard they are n friendly terms.. Why not leasing 2 or 3 44s to Condor and nam them Max und Moritz.
First of all it creates costs that a LCC operation isn't going to favor, mainly, cruises to mexico different aircraft which brings cruises to mexico along new mx issues, type ratings and so on. Then you have the layovers of crews which suck up money, something that 4U has so far actively avoided.
Second thing is that LH will not compromise its long-haule routes, which are basically the only ones they do make money on. The potential of pax taking a low yield flight with maybe one transfer instead of taking mainline LH is too risky.
And third: AB is already eating up the leasure/long haule market ex Germany. If they can't make it work (which so far it seems the can't, cruises to mexico having cruises to mexico a look at the numbers), then why would another LCC be able to?
I am not sure oif you know that DF (Condor) hat, in early 70s 2 747-100s one was called Max and the other Moritz. The best is, they served the Meditarranean routes, I think DUS - PMI was sometimes twice daily by 747 and a couple of LTU Tristars as well, plus whatever else flew that route.
Condor is an airline that serves markets which LH won't. Called cruises to mexico it what you want, they have a special product cruises to mexico which makes destinaitons served once or twic weekly cruises to mexico viable. I have no idea if their costs are below those of LH , but I would not be surprised.
Quoting PanHAM ( Reply 10 ): Condor is an airline that serves markets which LH won't. Called it what you want, they have a special product which makes destinaitons served once or twic weekly viable. I have no idea if their costs are below those of LH , but I would not be surprised.
Condor pay is appreciably below Lufthansa, at least on the old contracts, but slightly above the regionals. They do have a pretty solid onboard product, and they do sell the majority of their seats through tour operators and travel agencies. They have the occasional promotion going on where they'll dump a large contingency of seats for decent fares, but usually it's very expensive to buy single seats on them through their website. cruises to mexico FRA - BWI or FRA - SEA are never cheaper on DE than they are on LH . As far as their route network is concerned: They do fly to a bunch of very interesting destinations, among which are Manaus, Anchorage, Rangun and Baltimore. Most importantly though, they don't have a first class, a very limited business section and a premium economy class - such a layout is much better suited for low yielding tourist markets.
JQ - Jetstar, is celebrating its 8th birthday this month. For those that dont know about JQ it is QF 's LCC, started out domestic with B717's, swapping to A320's A321's and for Long Haul international routes A332's. Thats a pretty successful airline, constantly cruises to mexico providing the QFGroup with strong profits.
DE pay is appreciably below LH pay because LH pay is appreciably cruises to mexico above all other pay. There's a very fine document on the DE homepage which shows the gradual increase of salary for FOs and CPTs for a 12-year period. I wouldn't call that at all a bad salary!
Quoting cruises to mexico Semaex ( Reply 16 ): DE pay is appreciably below LH pay because LH pay is appreciably above all other pay. There's a very fine document on the DE homepage which shows the gradual increase of salary for FOs and CPTs for a 12-year period. cruises to mexico I wouldn't call that at all
A short while ago there was a thread based on a Flightinternational article hat LH might be the launch customer of the 787-10, BUT as there are a lot of things going on with LH right now they might no order any new planes anytime soon.
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